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Re[2]: [Komodo-discuss] When are Activestate PPM repositories updated.

Karl Moens (Karl.Moens@...)

Have a look at this thread on PerlMonks: it details how you can use MinGW
and its free C-compiler to compile Perl/XS-modules:
http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=539532

I have tried it and it works like a charm! Some modules of course still
refuse to compile, but that probably has more to do with the quality of the
module than with Perl, CPAN or MinGW.

Karl
aka CountZero on PerlMonks

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Subject:    Re: [Komodo-discuss] When are Activestate PPM repositories
       updated.


Mark Inkley wrote:
> How often are these repositories updated - occasionally packages are
> not available or they are older.
Usually weekly, sometimes more often, occasionally less often.
> Is there any plan to upgrade module POE to v0.35 ?  Can we perhaps put
> requests in for packages to be updated or installed in the PPM
repository?
>
I've cc'ed Philippe Chiasson, who maintains the PPM repository, he can
answer re: POE in particular.

The general model is that we update modules on PPM if they build and
pass their test suites. There are apparently quite a few problems w/ the
POE test suite as indicated on
http://ppm.activestate.com/BuildStatus/5.8-linux/linux-5.8/POE-0.3501.txt
for Linux for example.	I'll let Philippe expand.
> I am trying to figure out if it is better to ignore PPM and just use
> CPAN.  The only problem is sometimes packages require a MS C complier
> - which I don't have.
Yup, that's the best thing about PPM...

--david ascher




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Re: [Komodo-discuss] When are Activestate PPM repositories updated.

David Ascher (DavidA@...)

Mark Inkley
wrote:
> How often are these repositories updated - occasionally packages are
> not available or they are older. 
Usually weekly, sometimes more often, occasionally less often.
> Is there any plan to upgrade module POE to v0.35 ?  Can we perhaps put
> requests in for packages to be updated or installed in the PPM repository?
>
I've cc'ed Philippe Chiasson, who maintains the PPM repository, he can
answer re: POE in particular.

The general model is that we update modules on PPM if they build and
pass their test suites. There are apparently quite a few problems w/ the
POE test suite as indicated on
http://ppm.activestate.com/BuildStatus/5.8-linux/linux-5.8/POE-0.3501.txt
for Linux for example.	I'll let Philippe expand.
> I am trying to figure out if it is better to ignore PPM and just use
> CPAN.  The only problem is sometimes packages require a MS C complier
> - which I don't have.
Yup, that's the best thing about PPM...

--david ascher

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Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Jeff Griffiths (jeffg@...)

Levander wrote:
> Okay great.  You guys have already made the decision you want it in.
> 
> Is there a general (not promised) goal to have it in by?  Is it a 4.0 
> thing to come over the next year or two?  3.5.4? 3.6?

We're planning to release 4.0 this year ( calendrical 2006 ); be on the 
look out for Alpha and Beta builds throughout the summer / fall time 
frame. To be clear: current development builds of Komodo 4.-0 already 
have the url mapping feature, so this is not just decided on, it's 
implemented.

cheers, JeffG
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Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Levander (levander@...)

Okay great.	You
guys have already made the decision you want it in.

Is there a general (not promised) goal to have it in by?  Is it a 4.0 
thing to come over the next year or two?  3.5.4? 3.6?

-Levander

Shane Caraveo wrote:

> There will be a URI mapping capability that allows you to map a base 
> uri to a base local path.  Setting up mappings will allow you to work 
> around this particular problem (and others).
>
> Regards,
> Shane

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Re: [Komodo-discuss] When are Activestate PPM repositories updated.

Jeff Griffiths (jeffg@...)

Mark Inkley
wrote:
> How often are these repositories updated - occasionally packages are not 
> available or they are older. 
> 
> Is there any plan to upgrade module POE to v0.35 ?  Can we perhaps put requests 
> in for packages to be updated or installed in the PPM repository?
> 
> I am trying to figure out if it is better to ignore PPM and just use CPAN.  The 
> only problem is sometimes packages require a MS C complier - which I don't have.

We run the CPAN build process every week, and try to build everything. 
Lots of packages fail for various reasons:

  - problems with the module ( they have to build clean in an automated 
environment and pass their own tests )

  - problems with our build environment ( we try to address these as 
best we can )

  - external library or test environment dependencies

A really bad web interface to module build status is available here:

http://ppm.activestate.com/BuildStatus/5.8-A.html

Obviously we would like to improve this, and the build process generally.

The other resource you should be aware of is Randy Kobes' CPAN Search / 
PPM repository:

http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/htdocs/faqs/cpan-search.html

If you search for a module on here, it wil ( amongst other things ) show 
whetehr there is a Windows package available via ppm in a number of 
repositories including ours, his, and some others. As an example, POE 
0.35 seems to be available form Randy's repository:

http://cpan.uwinnipeg.ca/module/POE

Another angle on this is that, as of ActivePerl 5.8.8 we now support 
building modules via CPAN using non-MS compilers such a MingW*

* ref: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/docs/ActivePerl/5.8/changes-58.html

This post has gotten so long, I might as well blog it.

cheers, JeffG
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Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Shane Caraveo (shanec@...)

Levander wrote:
> I find having to insert xdebug_break() calls into my PHP code for remote 

> What are the plans for implementing this functionality in Komodo?  Are 
> you guys even talking about it in 4.0?

There will be a URI mapping capability that allows you to map a base uri 
to a base local path.  Setting up mappings will allow you to work around 
this particular problem (and others).

Regards,
Shane
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Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Levander (levander@...)

I didn't make it
clear that the reason I'm not more excited about your 
improvement over using xdebug_break() is because your still have 
multiple versions of the same file floating around in the IDE.	And, 
that's where thing really get messed up, you start editing one of these 
files that have been downloaded by the webserver, and have to erase it, 
click through a couple of confirmation dialogs, remake the changes in 
the right files, etc., etc..

But, I think you hit on that point in your original reply.

-Levander

Levander wrote:

> No, I saw that you were doing that.  Just didn't know you were 
> proposing it as a superior method to using xdebug_break.  I could see 
> how your method could save a little bit in the compile-edit-debug 
> cycle, but maybe I'm just debugging quite a bit of a larger code base 
> because the stepping line by line through the code thing just isn't 
> realistic in my scenario.  And yes, I did see your mention of the 
> alternative of setting the breakpoint after the IDE breaks on the 
> first line of PHP code rather than stepping through.
>
> Thanks for the reply,
> -Levander

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[Komodo-discuss] When are Activestate PPM repositories updated.

Mark Inkley (minkley@...)




  
  


How often are these repositories updated - occasionally packages are
not available or they are older.  



Is there any plan to upgrade module POE to v0.35 ?  Can we perhaps put
requests in for packages to be updated or installed in the PPM
repository?



I am trying to figure out if it is better to ignore PPM and just use
CPAN.  The only problem is sometimes packages require a MS C complier -
which I don't have.



rgds

Mark

Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Levander (levander@...)

No, I saw that
you were doing that.  Just didn't know you were proposing 
it as a superior method to using xdebug_break.	I could see how your 
method could save a little bit in the compile-edit-debug cycle, but 
maybe I'm just debugging quite a bit of a larger code base because the 
stepping line by line through the code thing just isn't realistic in my 
scenario.  And yes, I did see your mention of the alternative of setting 
the breakpoint after the IDE breaks on the first line of PHP code rather 
than stepping through.

Thanks for the reply,
-Levander

Anton Visser wrote:

> I guess you missed the point of my last email.  You don't have to
> insert code to set a breakpoint, you can just use the lefthand
> breakpoint column.

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Re: [Komodo-discuss] Remote Debugging PHP and Breakpoints

Anton Visser (visseraj@...)

I guess you
missed the point of my last email.  You don't have to
insert code to set a breakpoint, you can just use the lefthand
breakpoint column.



On 6/15/06, Levander  Yeah, and as a whole, Komodo is noticeably better than the other PHP
> IDE's I tried, not to mention it's multi-language capabilities.  Was
> really just hoping to get some kind of idea of the Komodo roadmap to
> cure my curiousities and give me something to satiate myself next time I
> get really annoyed by having to do xdebug_break.
>
> I'm going to experiment some with ruby on rails.  Is the remote
> debugging method similar with that language?	Where I'll have to insert
> code to do a debugger breakpoint?
>
> -Levander
>
> Anton Visser wrote:
>
> > I have been using remote debugging without the xdebug_break, and have
> > had great success.	Yes, having the code brought to you from the
> > server is a pain in the butt, but it is a lot better than having to
> > echo stuff out to the webpage. What I do, is this:
> > The first time the code comes up, I step through line by line, or set
> > break points futher down in the left margin.  These break points are
> > remembered by Komodo, evening after restarting it.	So that way I can
> > skip ahead to a different include files, or down to the function that
> > I need to debug.  That way I don't have to put extra lines in my code
> > and I can debug like a champ.
> > It works great, but I agree that tyeing xdebug into a project and
> > having one version of the code open, would be awesome.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Anton
>
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